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Re: New system/idea: Mist Trap

February 3, 2016, 5:02 pm
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OK - I will code it by Saturday - shouldn't take too long. I can then test it over 1 million spins.

Buffster, Mist Trap has still a long way to go... once there's a repeat then all those negative BR sets are transformed into positive.

Remember, guys: the casinos set the limits here: 37 numbers, max 1,000 units, and they gave us the carpet layout. So any winning system should take advantage of all that!
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Grassroots 123 (Streets)

February 3, 2016, 5:13 pm
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At first I debated whether or not I should post this.

But I know some of you will test and suggest tweaks so here it is.

A grassroots based on streets. Random against random at its finest.

No bet scheme etched in stone. Can be against previous 3. Can be against 123. Can be against 321. Can be something you play for fun money when you are bored. Nothing set in stone just an idea.

Group 1 streets : 1-2-3 / 10-11-12 / 19-20-21 / 28-29-30
Group 2 streets : 4-5-6 / 13-14-15 / 22-23-24 / 31-32-33
Group 3 streets : 7-8-9 / 16-17-18 / 25-26-27 / 34-35-36

Here is the first 42 spins of American zumma and how they correlate to the above groups


232
212
221
322
312
331                   no exact repeats
223                   no 123
121
213
112
313
102
331
312


what can we do with this bet selection? original grass roots against 123 hit and run? who knows....

if you choose to play this against 123 then each bet would be 8 streets (24 numbers), a layout of 8 chips.

One thing to notice from the 42 spin example above is, no exact repeat from line of 3 above.

Too early in testing to say anything at this point. just an idea as of now



Linkback: http://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16528.0
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Re: Previous Six DS

February 3, 2016, 5:25 pm
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Quote from: celescliff on Yesterday at 11:48:56 PM
Next test.

Code: [Select]
DS		Wins	Info	BR
5-5-5-0-1-2			
6-1-5-5-2-6 	1  		
4-1-1-6-6-1 	1  		
5-5-1-2-5-2	1  		
2-3-4-4-6-2	1  		
3-6-4-3-2-6	1  		
3-4-1-1-6-6	2		
2-5-2-1-1-4	1		
5-3-1-6-4-3	0		
3-4-2-3-1-3	1		0
4-2-2-1-4-5	1		
4-5-6-5-1-2	1		
1-5-5-5-5-1	2		
4-6-1-1-6-4	0		
3-2-5-1-4-3	1		+2
5-3-4-5-1-2	0		
4-2-6-0-1-4	1		+3
2-3-4-0-3-6	0	nb	
4-2-4-4-4-2	1		
5-1-2-6-5-0	0	nb	
2-5-4-6-5-5	2		
1-6-5-3-2-1	0		
6-5-3-5-1-2	0		-3
2-5-4-6-4-5	1		+1
2-1-6-2-4-2	2		
5-0-1-4-5-3	0	nb	
5-6-2-0-1-5	1		
1-1-5-3-3-4	0	nb	
4-5-6-1-1-1	0		
5-5-2-1-2-2	2		+5
4-6-5-6-2-3	1		
2-6-1-5-5-2	1		
4-3-3-5-6-4	1		
6-5-4-5-4-2	1		
2-4-1-4-3-3	0		
1-3-1-5-2-2	1		+8
6-1-6-4-5-3	0		
4-1-5-2-5-3	3		+12
5-3-3-5-6-1	0		
3-2-3-4-3-4	1		+15
5-4-2-4-2-1	1		
247 spins			
2015-12-15			
Table 5			
Duisburg


-celescliff

Wow that would have have been a lot waiting around between some of the betting triggers for a +15 unit win if you plaid this sequence live in a B&M.
At 30 spins per hour that would have taken over 8 hours.
Talk about a minimum wage job (LOL).

-Celtic
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Re: Previous Six DS

February 3, 2016, 5:35 pm
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You bring up a great point as I have noted in the past. Number of ACTUAL spins PER HOUR at a REAL casino.....must be considered when posting testing results.

Ken
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Re: American 00 wheel spins.

February 3, 2016, 6:06 pm
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First 1,500 spins of American Zumma


Column A

Runs of 3    - 27
Runs of 4    - 6
Runs of 5    - 4
Runs of 6    - 1
Runs of 7 + - 0

One thing is for certain, columns B and C respectively streak more frequently then column A, I saw many B and C streaks of 4 or more. That just is not the case with our friend A.

According to this lot, expect a streak of 4 or more column A every 136 spins.

Notes: most of the streaks (over half) that consisted of 4 or more had to do with numbers repeating. They were sometimes clustered (dealer signature? i dont really believe in dealer signature....butttt....)
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Re: KTF

February 4, 2016, 5:54 pm
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Re: Grassroots 123 (Streets)

February 4, 2016, 6:11 pm
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try this .....out of the last 3 decision bet the dominate dozen till a win in the next level......distribution of streets may makes an interesting dealer signature play.....
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Re: KTF

February 4, 2016, 6:13 pm
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Quote from: thelaw on Today at 01:49:23 AM
Keep testing!!! Love to see one of these methods work out! Thanks!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

-Law

Thank you.

By the way this was done with very little virtual testing and played live.

The one thing that I have not seen mentioned and what I did was when a number hit I removed it from the sequence BUT I added the oldest hit number back into the sequence so I was always plaing with a total of 28 bets regardless of the level.

Is this correct.

I am a hit and run player player and this method suits me just fine.

I am disappointed that others are not posting any tweaks for testing but oh well what can you do.

-Celtic
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Re: Grassroots 123 (Streets)

February 4, 2016, 6:17 pm
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im sorry did not mean dozen...but rather street group as outlined by rg...
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Re: Grassroots 123 (Streets)

February 4, 2016, 6:17 pm
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thanks for the idea

any tweaks are welcome here

trying to make this bet selection into something good
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Re: Grassroots 123 (Streets)

February 5, 2016, 3:13 pm
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example. my first test from page 1.

how I would play "bet the other 2 after a hit"

1 hits bet 2 and 3.
2 hits bet 1 and 3.
3 hits bet 1 and 2

on a loss sit out the next spin just in case there is a streak, if there is a streak sit out until there is a new trigger (so we avoid 22222)

FLAT BET


2
3- bet 1 and 3. WIN
2- bet 1 and 2. WIN
2- bet 1 and 3. LOSE
1- sit out, just in case 2 streaks
2- bet 2 and 3. WIN
2- bet 1 and 3. LOSE
2- sit out, just in case 2 streaks, oh look at that its a 2, we sat out
1- waiting for 2 to end, 1 hits, begin again
3- bet 2 and 3. WIN
2- bet 1 and 2. WIN
2- bet 1 and 3. LOSE
3- sit out
1- bet 1 and 2. WIN
2- bet 2 and 3. WIN
3- bet 1 and 3. WIN
3- bet 1 and 2. LOSE
1- sit out                 
2- bet 1 and 2. WIN
2- bet 1 and 3. LOSE
3- sit out                   
1- bet 1 and 2. WIN
2- bet 2 and 3. WIN
1- bet 1 and 3. WIN
2- bet 2 and 3. WIN
1- bet 1 and 3. WIN
3- bet 2 and 3. WIN
1- bet 1 and 2. WIN
1- bet 2 and 3. LOSE
2- sit out
3- bet 1 and 3. WIN
1- bet 1 and 2. WIN
3- bet 2 and 3. WIN
1- bet 1 and 2. WIN
0- bet 2 and 3. LOSE, unless you have insurance on green goblin
2- sit out
3- bet 1 and 3. WIN
3- bet 1 and 2. LOSE
1- sit out
3- bet 2 and 3. WIN
1- bet 1 and 2. WIN
2- bet 2 and 3. WIN

21 wins (X 4 units)
8 losses (X 8 units)

win 4 units on a win
lose 8 units on a loss

total +20

and hey its flat bet

and this is 1 hour of real play.

$200 bank with $1 units
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Re: 0 vs. 00 wheel, your preference? (poll question)

February 5, 2016, 3:18 pm
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Wherever I find myself: When in Rome  do as the Romans do.

Nuff said
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Re: 0 vs. 00 wheel, your preference? (poll question)

February 5, 2016, 3:25 pm
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Re: New system/idea: Mist Trap

February 5, 2016, 3:46 pm
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Re: Dont Knock it till you try it

February 5, 2016, 4:14 pm
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Quote from: nottophammer on February 04, 2016, 01:38:58 PM
I dont know when or if betting double dozen with +1 then -1 then parley,parley till back to 1-1 posted before,perhaps one of the vets could let us newbies know.




-Notto

Just got back from the local B&M.
Played $5 base bets with $150 BR  +1/-1 and parlay once on a win after a loss.

Made $75 profit in 1/2 hour.

Right now I am only playing this method and KTF.
I played this today because it does not take much thought or tracking.

The only thing that I do not quite understand is what to bet when 0 or 00 hits.
I do not cover these.

Anyways I am only playing this system with casino money----another reason for uping the base to $5

Thank you for the great work!!!

-Celticknits
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Re: KTF

February 6, 2016, 4:52 pm
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it did what its suppose to do, you can always take an earlier win like +40.
Good to see it won on the 00 wheel that extra pocket can be a problem.
You'll need to dry test and see if $40/50 be a good time to quit for that extra pocket.
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Re: KTF

February 6, 2016, 5:23 pm
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Woggy you did +1 on a loss -1 on a win?
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Re: KTF

February 6, 2016, 5:37 pm
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I like it alot. Unplayable on a real table

Need to be airball or a fair rng

Notto, my local casino has $5 rng at the bar......maybe a whiskey and some playtime
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Re: KTF

February 6, 2016, 6:23 pm
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Quote from: nottophammer on Today at 12:52:29 AM
it did what its suppose to do, you can always take an earlier win like +40.
Good to see it won on the 00 wheel that extra pocket can be a problem.
You'll need to dry test and see if $40/50 be a good time to quit for that extra pocket.

-notto

All of my live play has been on an American 00 wheel.
No Euro 0 wheel available live in my area.
I have not noticed anything bad with KTF bon the American wheel but I have only been playing it for about a week.
Made $200+ last week.
I do cover the individual 0 and 00 seperately.
So my initial bet is 28 units.

One of the main things I have to watch when I play KTF is to not get greedy.
Once I see $30-40 I start looking for an out.
If I hit $30 within the first six spins I will quit.

I may then take the $30 profit and play the Dont Knock It method.
Regardless my maximum time in the casino will be 1-1/2 hours.

Also if I am up around the 30th spin and had ANY profit I would quit.

I have to slow down at my B&M because they are starting to take notice.
I never use a players card but they can still track me with the eye in the sky and facial recognition.

-Celtic
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Re: KTF

February 6, 2016, 6:41 pm
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