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Re: KTF

March 7, 2016, 2:36 am
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Quote from: nottophammer on Today at 09:09:28 AM
Tuddilue, Azim, here are 2 spin registries where we get 2 & 3 non-hit in 10 spins (spins 11-20) out of 367 games where you have 9 non-hit in 1st 10 spins, 2 in 367 games,just 2 and both finish below 15 in 30 spins
Thanks that explains a lot!

I went through all play I have done and I have played 70 KTF on your sheets. So this has just happened to me one time in 70 games. I will recover this in 10-15 games so it will go fast  :smile:

The thing I have learned here is that I need to record the games better so I get better statistics. I will look through your AVG posts in this thread and see if I get all the information...

But back to this. How do you think when these happens? I mean when "2 & 3 non-hit in 10 spins (spins 11-20) " occur?
Do you play along with KEEP THE FAITH?
Or stop takes the loss and starts a new game?
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Re: Blue Angel's HG (Fallacious)

March 7, 2016, 5:37 am
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This is what I do not understand.


The worst case scenario in millions of spins is only 68 Red hits in 200 spins which is just a 34% hit rate.

BA's MM did not pass these 200 spins as he was -466.5 at spin 200.  (Data below)

However within 29 spins after this point at spin 229 his MM secured the win.

So there were 87 hits in 229 spins which is a still just a 38% hit rate, a 4% difference from 68 hits in 200 spins.

I am pretty sure that was also the worst 229 spin sequence in millions of spins. But lets say a 34% hit rate in 229 spins is the worst case scenario which would total just 77 hits. This will only happen once, let say twice in 1 million spins where a hit rate is between 34% and 37% during a 229 spin stretch. All other scenarios have a 38% or higher hit rate.

1 million consecutive spins divided by 229 is 4366 total sessions played (each consisting of 229 spins)

Total BR (that BA uses is 1000 units) an average win per session is +-? 10 units (I am sure its higher,  but lets go lower say just 2 units)

4364 x 2 = +8728 

minus 2 losing sessions = 2 x -1000  (a hit rate of less than 38% in a stretch of 229 spins) = -2000 units

+8728 - 2000 = +6728 units for 4366 session played of 229 spins each


My conclusion is: as long as we achieve a 38% hit rate for 229 spins we will be in the plus which should be everytime you play in a casino for the next 11 years if you played one 229 spin session per day. However, there will be +- 2 days when you lose out of the 4366. The average session will not be 229 spins long.......

 
Yes, BA played this on a French roulette wheel with the Le Partage rule for the zero, but this should not matter as we can also choose to play on the French wheel ( at least in Europe)


Blue Angels Data for only 68 hits in 200 spins and 87 hits in 229 spins
BETTING ALWAYS ON RED / FRENCH ROULETTE WITH "LE PARTAGE" RULE

S=Spin R=Result T=Total   
S           R           T

1          -1          -1
2          -1          -2
3x        +1         -1
4          -1          -2
5x        +1         -1
6          -1          -2
7x        +1         -1
8          -1          -2
9          -1          -3
10x       +1         -2
11         -1          -3
12x       +1         -2
13         -1          -3
14/ZERO -0.5      -3.5
15          -1        -4.5
16x        +1       -3.5
17         -1        -4.5
18         -1        -5.5
19         -1        -6.5
20         -1        -7.5
21x       +1       -6.5
22         -1        -7.5
23x       +1       -6.5
24         -1        -7.5
25         -1        -8.5
26         -1        -9.5
27         -1        -10.5 
28         -1        -11.5
29x       +1       -10.5
30         -1        -11.5
31x       +1       -10.5
32x       +1       -9.5
33         -1        -10.5
34         -1        -11.5
35x       +1       -10.5
36x       +1       -9.5
37x       +1       -8.5
38x       +2       -6.5  BET RAISES TO 2 UNITS
39         -2        -8.5
40         -2        -10.5
41         -2        -12.5
42x       +2       -10.5
43         -2        -12.5
44         -2        -14.5
45x       +2       -12.5
46x       +2       -10.5
47         -2        -12.5
48         -2        -14.5
49         -2        -16.5
50         -2        -18.5
51         -2        -20.5
52x       +2       -18.5
53         -2        -20.5
54         -2        -22.5   
55x       +2       -20.5
56         -2        -22.5
57         -2        -24.5
58x       +2       -22.5
59         -2        -24.5
60         -2        -26.5
61         -2        -28.5
62x       +2       -26.5
63         -2        -28.5
64         -2        -30.5
65x       +2       -28.5
66         -2        -30.5
67         -2        -32.5   
68x       +2       -30.5
69x       +2       -28.5
70         -2        -30.5
71x       +2       -28.5
72         -2        -30.5
73         -2        -32.5
74         -2        -34.5
75x       +4       -30.5   BET RAISES TO 4 UNITS
76         -4        -34.5
77x       +4       -30.5
78         -4        -34.5
79         -4        -38.5
80x       +4       -34.5
81         -4        -38.5
82         -4        -42.5
83         -4        -46.5
84         -4        -50.5
85         -4        -52.5
86         -4        -56.5
87         -4        -60.5
88         -4        -64.5
89         -4        -68.5   
90x       +4       -64.5
91         -4        -68.5
92x       +4       -64.5
93         -4        -68.5
94         -4        -72.5
95x      +4        -68.5
96        -4         -72.5
97x      +4        -68.5
98        -4         -72.5
99        -4         -76.5
100      -4         -80.5
101x    +4        -76.5
102x    +4        -72.5
103      -4         -76.5
104x    +4        -72.5
105/ZERO -2     -74.5
106       -4        -78.5
107       -4        -82.5
108       -4        -86.5
109       -4        -90.5
110       -4        -94.5
111       -4        -98.5
112       -8        -106.5  BET RAISES TO 8 UNITS
113       -8        -114.5
114x     +8       -106.5
115       -8        -114.5
116       -8        -122.5   
117x     +8       -114.5
118       -8        -122.5
119x     +8       -114.5
120       -8        -122.5
121       -8        -130.5
122x     +8       -122.5
123       -8        -130.5
124       -8        -138.5
125       -8        -146.5
126       -8        -154.5
127       -8        -162.5
128x     +8       -154.5
129x     +8       -146.5
130x     +8       -138.5
131x     +8       -130.5
132       -8        -138.5
133       -8        -146.5
134x     +8       -138.5
135       -8        -146.5
136       -8        -154.5
137       -8        -162.5
138x     +8       -154.5
139       -8        -162.5
140x     +8       -154.5
141       -8        -162.5
142       -8        -170.5
143x     +8       -162.5
144       -8        -170.5
145x     +8       -162.5
146x     +8       -154.5
147x     +8       -146.5
148       -8        -154.5
149x     +16     -138.5  BET RAISES TO 16 UNITS
150x     +16      -122.5
151       -16       -138.5
152       -16       -154.5
153/ZERO -8     -162.5
154x     +16      -146.5
155x     +16      -130.5
156       -16       -146.5
157       -16       -162.5
158x     +16      -146.5
159       -16       -162.5
160       -16       -178.5
161       -16       -194.5
162       -16       -210.5
163x     +16      -194.5
164x     +16      -178.5
165       -16       -194.5
166       -16       -210.5
167       -16       -226.5
168x     +16      -210.5
169       -16      -226.5
170       -16       -242.5   
171x     +16      -226.5
172x     +16      -210.5
173       -16       -226.5
174x     +16      -210.5
175x     +16      -194.5
176       -16       -210.5
177       -16       -226.5
178       -16       -242.5
179       -16       -258.5
180x     +16      -242.5
181       -16       -258.5
182       -16       -274.5
183       -16       -290.5
184x     +16      -274.5
185       -16       -290.5
186/ZERO -16    -306.5     BET RAISES TO 32 UNITS
187x     +32      -274.5
188       -32       -306.5
189       -32       -338.5
190/ZERO -16    -354.5
191       -32       -386.5
192x     +32      -354.5
193x     +32      -322.5
194       -32       -354.5
195       -32       -386.5
196x     +32      -354.5
197       -32       -386.5
198       -32       -418.5
199/ZERO -16    -434.5
200          -32    -466.5     34% Hit Rate in 200 spins
201     10      -32   -498.5
202     6        -32   -530.5 
203     14      +32   -498.5       
204     21      +32   -466.5         
205     30      +32   -434.5         
206     11      -32    -466.5         
207     12      +32   -434.5         
208     10      -32    -466.5       
209     22      -32    -498.5       
210     34      +32   -466.5       
211     10      -32    -498.5       
212     16      +32   -466.5       
213     0       -16     -482.5     
214     14      +32   -450.5     
215     8        -32    -482.5     
216     34      +32   -450.5     
217     18      +32   -418.5     
218     19      +32   -386.5     
219     25      +32   -354.5     
220     35      -32    -386.5     
221     34      +32   -354.5     
222     29      -32    -386.5     
223     16      +64   -322.5     BET RAISES TO 64 UNITS
224     21      +64   -258.5     
225     12      +64   -194.5     
226     30      +64   -130.5     
227     9        +64    -66.5     
228     34      +64    -2.5     
229     32      +64    +61.5   BET RESETS TO 1 UNIT     38% Hit Rate in 229 spins
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Re: Assault

March 7, 2016, 5:49 am
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18/20 Games won

That's a 90% winrate
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Re: Assault

March 7, 2016, 6:09 am
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Very good, man! Bravo!

I don't know why is it so quiet here...
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Re: Assault

March 7, 2016, 6:12 am
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Re: Assault

March 8, 2016, 1:23 am
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Re: KTF

March 8, 2016, 2:45 am
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Todays #'s  KTF +£49
Code: [Select]
	jackpotjoy 8.3.16
1	10
2	24
3	32
4	34
5	35
6	17
7	13
8	5
9	32
10	8
11	14
12	29
13	21
14	13
15	4
16	36
17	36
18	14
19	22
20	11
21	25
22	5
23	35
24	24
25	19
26	4
27	4
28	32
29	3
30	35
31	27
32	15
33	2
34	33
35	9
36	6
37	22
38	17
39	17
40	20
41	20
42	4
43	21
44	12
45	25
46	3
47	17
48	17
49	20
50	6
51	35
52	33
53	26
54	32
55	19
56	34
57	20
58	28
59	28
60	34
	
61	2
62	33
63	14
64	15
65	2
66	2
67	0
68	1
69	27
70	18
71	7
72	21
73	13
74	21
75	26
76	14
77	17
78	36
79	6

If you want you could use the numbers after 60th spin for another game, but me i'd be on another table.
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Re: Assault

March 8, 2016, 3:29 am
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Re: new method

March 8, 2016, 5:55 am
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@turner -low numbers are 1-18 and high numbers are 19-36.
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Re: new method

March 8, 2016, 6:05 am
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also one more thing I forgot to mention. you can also play this method using time. before you start the session look at the minute hand of the casino clock.  whatever is the minute divide it by 2.  if it is a low number play low numbers for that session. if it is high number play high numbers for that session.  it will work only if you see the time at the start of the session. will not work if you look at the clock every time the ball is spun (there is a danger that someone might steal your chips).  also remember to look at the minute hand as it does not work with second or hour hand.  if there is no clock in the casino then you are allowed to look at either your watch or mobile for time. if you do not have either of them then you are allowed to ask the dealer for time. if he refuses to tell the time just walk out and look for another casino as that is a total disrespect and the casino doesn't deserve you. 
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Re: Random Thoughts

March 9, 2016, 5:43 am
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I have a feeling that I am speaking lately only with myself about this, but to hell with that   :lol:

In case anyone didn't noticed, Pri has published 2 new videos on channel there. I don't know if this is connected to the same riddle we have here so maybe that might be the missing key for some in case if previous videos didn't gave any result in decoding, or it is something completely new...

Enjoy watching

Hope his helps

Drazen
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Re: BA Marty Prog On A Dozen

March 9, 2016, 5:44 am
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I tried something similar this morning on Sky Vegas RNG real money 1p stakes (big spender!!), although I was betting the 32,15,19 sector, and before anyone jumps on me for playing a sector on RNG, I know, it's just easier to determine where the ball is going to land after you press the spin button!!

Played  a total of 16 games, 332 spins, +480 units, highest step in the progression was level 4, 8 units per number, however, this hit on spin 112 of that game, the first spin at that level. This was the toughest game, I only had 1 hit is the first 37 spins, 3 in the next 37, 3 again in the next 37,and as already mentioned the 1 hit on the first spin of the next 37 spins. This game netted me 171 units alone. At one stage I got BR back to 100 less than what I started with, and I thought about ending it and taking the loss, as I would still have been about 250 units plus for the full session, however, I played on and got in the plus. As I was playing fast RNG I didn't take much more info, except the amount of spins per game, and the hits per 37 spins, within each game, however my starting BR of 534 was never in any real danger. The last game which was the 112 spins, my starting BR was 843,and at one stage it went as low as about 650ish.

This is by no means grailish, however, I think it might have some merit, although not with EC's, minimum should be 1 dozen, and there will be games where you are probably best to quit if not ahead, although, you've had some wins, and you're getting high in the progression...as Winkel once mentioned the grind will kill you...

Jim
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Re: BA Marty Prog On A Dozen

March 9, 2016, 5:51 am
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Re: BA Marty Prog On A Dozen

March 9, 2016, 6:02 am
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The other way to approach it would be to have multiple "dozens" going at once, and then bet when they reach a certain limit (like 64 units).......same for ec.

The key to this would be a stop-loss built in to avoid the inevitable crash.

For sure, this is a great deal of work, but also great financial reward, as your table limits would be much more than a standard progression. So if you started normally with 1 unit..........but here started with 1 unti (@64 units) it completely changes your table limits.
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Re: Random Thoughts

March 9, 2016, 6:12 am
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I tried to figure it out. I posted it in this topic...

No one ever replied on it. Too bad...
Maybe you can share what you're thinking?
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Re: Lets have some fun

March 10, 2016, 5:42 am
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2 people working of the same file.
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Re: KTF

March 10, 2016, 6:12 am
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Quote from: nottophammer on Today at 01:38:37 PM
Tuddilue
This is why i dropped trying for repeats, 5/3/16 shows using previous 10 spins how it can fail.
Spins 11-20 get a repeat from 1st 10, 21-30 gets its repeat from 11-20, 21-30 does not repeat in the next 19 spins, but spins 31-40 do repeat in spins 41-50.
Like Azim said it’s better to restart or Winkel jump, so if you collected the next 10 spins,21-30 where the cycle of 37 you are in has shown how those 10 have missed, if you start again, the KTF is a winner.
To me it’s better to play for non-hits from the start of a fresh 37 spin cycle, the non-hit are the larger group and what are we expecting the larger group to do, hit
Thanks notto!
Yes the repeaters can take long time before they arrive.  I have not been betting them before. I can understand why you have dropped it..

Here comes my session I had that I wonder how you should play?

So in the first 11-21 there is 7 repeaters with a streak of 5 as longest. I stopped at spin 13 and lost 68 but if I should have KTF the bankroll should bust. So do you have some tips around this one?
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Re: Dracula's Draw

March 10, 2016, 6:20 am
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I am sure that this kind of strategies can bring profit more often than not.

Thanks Ig
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Re: Holy Grail By Winkel.

March 10, 2016, 6:32 am
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Bettin Pattern Questions

March 10, 2016, 6:49 am
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Hi everyone. i found an older topic that had to do with EC bets. Post was by @albalaha


"can anyone tell any single method, with or without progression which can win all these situations of Red/Black (I mean any EC)?
Situation 1: RRRRRRRR
Situation 2: BBBBBBBB
Situation 3: RBRBRBRB or  BRBRBRBR
Situation 4: RRBBRRBB  or BBRRBBRR
Situation 5: RBBBBBRB

The point was after all these situations to be in profit or to break even"


So there was an answer by @skakus stating:

  "Wait for any three reds then bet red twice and stop.   At the same time wait for any three blacks then bet black twice and stop. 

This wins or breaks even with all your examples. "

I wanted to test this for myself for all the 256 possible binary sequences (EC bets) containing 8 digits but before i can do that i must be sure that i understand the betting suggested in the answer. I understand that the best person to answer this would be @skakus since it's the one that replied but if he isnot around any logical answer to my question would do. :)

based on the betting pattern suggested on the reply,i have some questions to clarify.

1) the wait 3 signal don't have to be 3 in a row, right? so RBRR would be a signal for Red betting.

2) betting twice Red and stop after 3 any Reds like in situation 1 (RRRRRRRR) would lead me bettingin Red in 4th and 5th spin. What I do with the rest 3 spins left in the sequence after? i just abort them and considering it a profit sequence of 8spins?

3) If I DO ABORT the left 3 spins in the question 2, will that mean that after the 5th spin i start a new sequence that starts with RRR? (last 3 spins of situation 1 -RRRRRRRR)

4) If the signal to bet twice in Red or Black comes in 7th spin, do i just bet once instead of twice since i complete the sequence in 1 spin?

5) Last question. Like in situation 3 (RBRBRBRB) i get a signal on 5th spin (there are 3 reds by 5th spin) to bet twice Red. But then on the 6th spin there is also a signal triggered to bet Black on next spin. So by the 7th spin i would have both signals, thus betting in both colors. (second time Red bet and first time Black bet). There is no reason to bet them both. i could just skip the spin i guess?

Thanks for any replies in advance. I tried to be clear on my questions. If there is any misunderstanding DO feel free to tell me. i will try explaining.  Thanks everyone for his time.

PS: Let's all presume there is no 0 spun in these situations

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