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Re: KTF's cousin named WTF (if everyone agrees)


Re: Neighbours

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11.1.16 - One of those cluttered happenings in the wheel section. Fastest win in 4 placed bets. +126 in 14 spins. Low point 0
12.1.16 - +93 in 34 spins. Low point - 36.

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Re: AntiTrend

Re: Street Betting System

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You describe, through implication, how you bet. Like you bet
4 double  streets, and lost 4 units. That is clear.

But it is not clear how you allofasudden, switch to streets, and why and how.

It's difficult to explain or show. You have a very good way of documenting the
games.  But I can't easily edit them.

* Mar 22 Tue Game 1.jpg (152.82 kB, 1650x1275 - viewed 9 times.)


In this game it is fairly easy to see the workout.  You got 4 distinct streets
that you expand to double streets.  11,1,5 and 7 all expand, toward the center
(6 and 7) to be 1/2 4/5 6/7 and 10/11.


* Mar 22 Tue Game 2.jpg (151.99 kB, 1650x1275 - viewed 9 times.)

This game was a lot more complicated, with duplicated.

If I were tracking it, I would have begun betting on spin #7 I think.
By that time you cold conjure double streets 5/6 (from spin 2),
7/8 (from spin 5)   9/10 (from spin 1) abd 11/12 (from spin 6)

Yet you keep going.  Your documentation is outstanding, but when you
follow it spin by spin, that is what happens.

From there, you bet on spin #13 as you say.  I didn't understand how we
got that far to begin with. If I did, then I wouldn't understand what you
did to split into streets.  I guess it would be 1 unit on 10 streets by your
math.  That is more than half the board and only leaves 2 streets or
6 numbers vacant. That is MORE than betting 2 dozen.

(BTW, when you get to betting 6 streets, it is half the table and the same thing
as making an even money bet. Hence, possibly, making the math and recovery easier).

So next it LOOKS like you bet 10 streets again with 2 units? Don't know. Have to
figure it out. I think you would win 22 unit (11 per chip) and win 22 units. Not
21 as you document. On the 3rd bet.

This has you in for a total of 40 units. If I play a labby on 2 dozen, I play 1,3,9.
That is -2, -6, and -18 for 3 losses. That is -27. If you lost 3 bets it would be -40.

I realize it isn't apples to apples. But close enough.

And I still don't know which streets you cover on the 3rd bet.

(This too much "thinkin'" for you, RG?)

Just an example of the confusion.


Hey mogul,

Your understanding of Mar 22 Tue Game 1 are correct.

Let's explore Mar 22 Tue Game 2.

You mentioned you would start betting on spin 7 with double streets 5/6 (from spin 2),
7/8 (from spin 5)   9/10 (from spin 1) and 11/12 (from spin 6).

This is really close but not quite accurate. At spin 7, I only counted 3 streets because I always combine two streets that are together. In this case, street 10 (from spin 1) and street 11 (from spin 6) were combined into 1 double street. (where as you split them into two separate ones). So I had to go a few more spins until I had the 4th double street. Does that make sense?

Now, when I switch to streets (which is only in 2 scenarios... #1 the first two bets are 4 double streets and both bets lose... #2 If the second bet would require 5 double streets instead of 4 to cover everything...).... I'm just betting on the streets that have been hit.

So here we had 4 double streets that lost.... -4u. A fifth was now required so we switch to streets. Going into the second bet we had 8 streets to bet on. Now, if this bet wins I will make +4u. That would make the game breakeven. I want to go for the win so I have to bet 2u per street. That will give me +8u and a +4u net win.

However, that bet losses. Fine. So now we have 9 streets to bet on going into bet #3. We have a drawdown of -20u. I know that with 9 streets I will profit +3u per unit bet... so If I want to win I have to bet 7u per street. That will win me +21 units for a net +1u win.

Hope that all makes sense.

Yes, there will be times where we are betting more than 2 dozen numbers. (which is why I don't equate this to playing double dozens or the usual progressions found there)

Yes, with 6 streets it is just an even money bet... however it's not covering the numbers I want to cover.

Anyway, hope that helps clear up any of your confusion.

Re: Street Betting System

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* Wed Mar 23 Game 3.jpg

Please ignore the maths in this game. They are bit off. lol That's what happens when you are updating the spreadsheet post game. Was still a winning game though but only for +1u not +2u.

If anyone wants to tackle the correct bet sizing as a little "test" feel free to for it :)

Re: KTF's cousin named WTF (if everyone agrees)

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Is anybody else here like me?? Waiting for that dreaded email telling me that my online casino account have been closed for winning too much...  :wink:

For those playing online, how low do you maintain your winnings to stay under the radar?? I limit my winnings to 20$ a day (which takes me about 30 minutes of play.) I was thinking of after making, let's say, 100$ I would give back 25$ in the slots just to keep them happy....

Simon.

 

Re: since KTF does so well....

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Don't know RG, when we start with the 37#'s have we stopped random betting as we have some structure, ie, going for only the non-hit.
Picking a random 27#'s is not KTF, you'll have the math wizards on in a minute so we will know the answer

Re: Random Thoughts

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This will be my last post here and am not returning after this.
Sometimes you feel gutted to see the work that you have done is not getting anywhere and when people fail to see the obvious. One of my friends said to me are people lazy?

Lets see whether this sparks some interest to take it forward further. While we talked about non-randomness, it is key that you dont forget statistics and what is a fact. We talked about cycles. Lets take the following dozen cycle as an example. Following is the statistics across various number of cycles for a set of few thousands of spins. The fact is the percentages defined there say something about the edge and they remain the constant irrespective of the set you will use.

500 cycles   
Dozen that defined the previous cycle same as the dozen defined the next cycle - 306 ~ 61%
Dozen that defined the previous cycle different from the dozen defined the next cycle - 194 ~ 39%

1000 cycles   
Dozen that defined the previous cycle same as the dozen defined the next cycle - 618 ~ 62%
Dozen that defined the previous cycle different from the dozen defined the next cycle - 382 ~ 38%

2000 cycles   
Dozen that defined the previous cycle same as the dozen defined the next cycle - 1241 ~ 62%
Dozen that defined the previous cycle different from the dozen defined the next cycle - 759 ~ 38%

The fact is things do clutter. When they do clutter, repeaters do happen. When repeaters do happen the statistical relation between these finite cycles tend to lean towards and form a magical relation between two finite cycles.

Does it give you any pointers or advantages? Do you see any link to the videos. Oh yeah, I like playing puzzles. Those who want to ignore can ignore. Bye until I get the next urge to post.

Everythign that happens in roulette happens in a cycle. A cycle starts and ends when a number repeats.


For the dozens, lets see that it will be like this.

19
25
18 – This is a dozen cycle of length 2

19
20 – This is a dozen cycle of length 1

18
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30 – This si a dozen cycle of length 3.


Re: Singles To Doubles

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Nice system ignatus :thumbsup:
In my spins though I was getting more hits on- If LOW hits, bet LOW, if HIGH hits, bet HIGH.

Can you please share the spins of any of the above graphs so we can check for this

Thanks! Good observation, i've noticed that also, but i haven't tested it, it could be a tweak of this system perhaps. Although i don't have the energy to test it more today (i played it most of the day today) so, if you or anyone could test your tweak i be happy. The spins are already posted, you can find them here: http://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16562.0

Re: KTF's cousin named WTF (if everyone agrees)

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Nothing to worry about yet, Simon!

When you make 10 withdrawals of 500$ each in a month, without making a deposit, change Casino for next month.
Where are you playing for now?

Re: I'll be in the minority on this, what else is new?

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Did you know I can lift 200 kg ? Yep. I can .
Nobody seen it though. But I can  ;)

As I said before but it keeps getting deleted. You can play soccer for 5 , 10 , 20 years. Sure you will be better than average Joe.  But that doesn't mean you become pro or can pay the bills from it. I've seen this : I've been playing this many years blablabla. ...then a guy like nottophammer comes along and kicks there ass in soccer. Must be frustrating  :wink:

Re: I'll be in the minority on this, what else is new?

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I've seen this : I've been playing this many years blablabla. ...then a guy like nottophammer comes along and kicks there ass in soccer. Must be frustrating  :wink:
Well summarised. I wish I knew to put my words like this.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Re: I'll be in the minority on this, what else is new?

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Did you know I can lift 200 kg ? Yep. I can .
Nobody seen it though. But I can  ;)

As I said before but it keeps getting deleted. You can play soccer for 5 , 10 , 20 years. Sure you will be better than average Joe.  But that doesn't mean you become pro or can pay the bills from it. I've seen this : I've been playing this many years blablabla. ...then a guy like nottophammer comes along and kicks there ass in soccer. Must be frustrating  :wink:

Just keep winning and posting results man..........success is the best revenge!!! :thumbsup:

Re: I'll be in the minority on this, what else is new?

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This is Ken's problem........he claims that he has an issue with hobbyists......while he himself.......is exactly that.

See.....if Ken had a winning method, then, by his logic, he would either ride into the sunset, or come back to the forum to work toward beating the game by sharing his method.

But Ken doesn't do that.....instead he starts threads like this to show everyone how he feels about other members, criticizes other member's systems, or posts evasive statements like "I don't have a day job", so that he can remain elusive while still getting all of the attention.

If Ken wants less hobbyists and more "winners"..........why not start with himself? :question:

I love that Ken has a hobby..........I just wish it involved searching for a winning method. :sad2:

@MrJ>>Please stop attacking the forum


+1.  Unbelievable whats happening lately.

Re: I'll be in the minority on this, what else is new?

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If there are hobbyists so be it. All the world is a stage and we are the  actors. W.S.\


Enjoy


Great recreation.No risk involved.



Tamino

Re: Random Thoughts

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Now look at the following 8 spins.
BRRBBRRB

If we play based on the theorem, what will we play for the 9th spin? Black or Red? Leaving you with these thoughts.
Does the clash here appears because we have a possibility of betting both black and red. What if we tie our hands that we cannot bet black and we can bet only red. Does this clash happen. Does this handicap situation of betting only one colour makes this theorem more workable from a VdW perspective. Does this handicap really a handicap or is it a boon in some form making us lose less?

Re: Random Thoughts

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Some will say *patterns= ilussion* but  for me is  not ilussion, is a good friend.
The most important event is *the repeat * , no matter if is about number(s)
or group of numbers ( my favorite). 
Kattila, very well said. The most difficult thing here is the when/why/what thing that need to be solved. Once you solve that it will no longer be an illusion and one will clearly be able to see through it.

Re: Random Thoughts

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Pryanka: To be blunt  No bet  contemplated. Does not meet criteria to bet .Why hurry.


Re: Random Thoughts

Re: Random Thoughts

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Tamino - Good quote. But there is more to roulette than next spin. JP used to famously say 2 out of 3 games and 3 out of 4 games, never next spin. So unless one sees a set of spins as a set of spins and not look at just the next spin, one might as well leave the game as it will never get them anywhere. Mathematically, there is only one way to beat the roulette and that is through seeing the game with a non-random lens.

+1 :thumbsup:

I'm surprised I don't see this more often.

How many methods has Ignatus used where he can win 3/4 games.........not necessarily an HG, but surely an odd stroke of "luck".

With larger numbers the variance basically disappears........so why not use a progression of games instead of spins? :question:

I would refer to this as a investment strategy to win over time (1000s of spins)........along with diversifying your portfolio with multiple methods at once.
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