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Re: Multiplayer roulette ready

April 12, 2016, 7:24 pm
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Quote from: Steve on Today at 02:08:39 AM
The win rate is based on amount won / amount lost. But I havent had time to check it's correct. I get the feeling its not correct, but for now i'm relying on the fact that everyone is subject to the same algorithms. It is a community game so we can all have input and make it however we want. Anyone can contribute ideas. Perhaps try just calculating (amount bet)/(amount won)

Nods.
Perhaps using a percentage and not how it's done now would make more sense statistically.
I'm not 100% familiar with how RX calculates the "summary" window - but the "units placed" section seems to have the most relevant info as far as this game and ranking people.
(Net %)
But it would also have to account for bankroll resets - laughs.
I'm thinking it's a competition when it's a fun site to play roulette on... grrr lol.
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Re: Multiplayer roulette ready

April 12, 2016, 10:26 pm
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Quote from: TurboGenius on Today at 12:30:07 AM
On a side not - a little while ago had 1 1 1 appear - then came back and now had 0 0 0
and damn - look at those 27s !!!  Amazing. Gotta love random.

This exact same sequence just ran a week ago! Someone even commented on chat board. Before that the zero hit five times in less than 37 spins, right? The numbers are running on a loop...
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Re: Betvoyager No Zero Roulette is WORSE than Single Zero Roulette. It's a scam.

April 12, 2016, 10:34 pm
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Quote from: Bliss on Yesterday at 07:35:41 PM
Yeah well, I was just looking at it from the point of view of the long term average. Of course you will end up paying the tax sometimes, even if you don't have a winning system.  ;)

The point is, the tax is not applied in the way it is on Baccarat, for example. In Bacc, you only get a 95% return on banker bets: every banker bet. That has a grinding effect on your bankroll especially when you make large bets. That doesn't happen here because the deduction is made only on net winnings at the end of a session. Big difference.

You know, if NZ has the same odds as coin toss, then there will be times when the losing sessions will be even with the winning sessions. So in the long run the player will lose those 10 percent to the house per winning session. It´s still unfair payout in disguise. :(
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Re: Multiplayer roulette ready

April 12, 2016, 11:18 pm
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Thanks I need to check that. There are so many numbers that they would not be looping for a very long time. Maybe something happened that reset the sequence back to the beginning. I'll discuss it with the programmer.
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Re: Betvoyager No Zero Roulette is WORSE than Single Zero Roulette. It's a scam.

April 13, 2016, 12:17 am
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I agree that if you're only going to make a few bets, maybe like that guy Ashley Revell  ;D, then you're probably better off sticking with their standard house edge games. But a regular player who can't guarantee that they will win - and who can? then the NZ option is the best.

Again, I have no reason to "promote" Betvoyager. I don't have an account and don't play RNG anyway, but it seems a bit harsh to characterize them as scammers. I was looking at their site and they even have a page about the house edge. How many online casinos give you this kind of information? It's not in their interest to do so; it seems to me that they're more transparent than most.

Regarding the randomness control, it seems that the algorithm is in the public domain, so you could create your own program to compute the checksum. In that case there would be no chance of them being able to cheat. You don't have to rely on their software if you don't trust it.

https://www.betvoyager.com/randomness/#randomness-control-video/
 
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The checksum is being computed with the help of the program used in our casino. Players can use other programs to compute the checksum for text information according to the SHA-256 algorithm. Players can find such programs on the following websites:

    http://jssha.sourceforge.net
    http://www.farfarfar.com/scripts/encrypt
    http://www.fileformat.info/tool/hash.htm
    Additional checksum calculators

The SHA-256 is merely one of numerous algorithms that can be used to compute a checksum. We have chosen it to ensure randomness control in our casino because no modern sources of information have ever uncovered any insecurities or incorrectness connected with this algorithm.
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Re: The "let it run and watch a movie" method

April 13, 2016, 11:58 pm
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There were a guy with interesting system about single sleepers after 400 spins...
I think he was also mentioning some parlays...

Was he from Belgium?

Dank je wel, Denzie!
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Re: The "let it run and watch a movie" method

April 14, 2016, 12:17 am
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Quote from: nextyear on Today at 06:58:20 AM
There were a guy with interesting system about single sleepers after 400 spins...
I think he was also mentioning some parlays...

Was he from Belgium?

Dank je wel, Denzie!

Who ? And how does it work ?

Graag gedaan
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Re: Kingpin

April 14, 2016, 12:41 am
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Almost missed this one.

Thanks Ig!
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Re: The "let it run and watch a movie" method

April 14, 2016, 12:54 am
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Hij heeft een klein beetje geluk with his methods, as I understand!

But it seems that with WTKTF he goes up a level in a game...  :thumbsup:
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Re: Russian Jet

April 14, 2016, 1:45 am
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Re: SYSTEM ONE

April 14, 2016, 11:38 pm
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Let's play a game! I call it "The 100$ Race". I imagine i have 500$, and stop for each session when 100$ is won (playing with 5$ chips) ^-^

The 100$ Race 5/5 Games won
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Re: SYSTEM ONE

April 15, 2016, 12:03 am
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The 100$ race LOST

Total winnings: +800$
Total losses: -1000$
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Total: -200$

Better luck next time!  ;D
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Re: KTF's cousin named WTF (if everyone agrees)

April 15, 2016, 1:16 am
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Quote from: Celticknits on Today at 01:58:16 AM
-Curiosone

As stated in Turners Post #320 I got the additional numbers from random.org and played through as I said I would in my Posts #308 and #319.
Thank you Turner.

Here is the payout sheet with the random.org numbers.

Code: [Select]
 		         CURIOSONE   14APR16						
             (NOTE: Spins 30-37 generated by random.org as suggested by Turner)								
S 	#	R	Bet	P	Stake	Won	Net	Total
1 	4							
2 	35							
3 	6							
4 	5							
5 	16							
6	 36							
7 	14							
8 	30							
9	 32							
10 	25							
11 	34							
12 	29							
13 	33							
14 	15							
15 	5	R						
16 	28		14	1	14		-14	-14
17 	23		14	2	28		-28	-42
18 	10		14	3	42		-42	-84
19 	20		14	4	56		-56	-140
20 	27		14	5	70		-70	-210
21 	19							-210
22 	2							-210
23	24							-210
24	31							-210
25	13							-210
26	4	R						-210
27	6	R	23	6	138	216	78	-132
28	16	R	22	5	110	180	70	-62          ------ Quit at first positive profit as stated in Post #319
29	28	R	21	4	84	144	60	-2
30	19	R	20	3	60	108	48	46                --- QUIT
31	1		19	1	19		-19	27
32	7		19	2	38		-38	-11
33	24	R	19	3	57	108	51	40
34	28		18	2	36		-36	4
35 	3		18	3	54		-54	-50
36	36	R	18	4	72	144	72	22
37	16		17	3	51		-51	-29
[/note]





Hey Celt

I believe Random.org is perfectly random.

As for those 8, it poses some questions,

If I understand that a random number is just that....a number which doesnt relate in any way to other random numbers...then what was it you were saying "if only I had the last 8" to?

It was 8 random numbers. And any 8 random numbers are just that.  And as soon as I say 8 then I am seeing them in series, in a line, which means nothing to the RNG. Only to our abstract mind.

Then you naturally think..."so what was it I was tracking then?"

Its hard to visualise.
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Re: KTF's cousin named WTF (if everyone agrees)

April 15, 2016, 1:37 am
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When WTF and KTF are played, it has been so far as I know (definitely KTF) using a single stream of numbers. When game starts its using 37 #’s that are due, admittedly these 37#’s are collected randomly, from a single source.
What you are suggesting to me, is use different sources that will produce random results.
So why would you do that? Help random out by moving between different streams of data. You people are always going on about you can’t beat random, wouldn’t it be better to stay in one stream of data from one wheel or micky mouse roulette program.
Now you’re in one cycle of random numbers, be it from a wheel or predetermined numbers from a program, you know your choices, 0x’s, 1x’s and >1x’s. How you play against these, is up to the individual.
I know what stream of numbers I’d use, the single stream, where you’ve collected game upon game of data, this data that after 100 games, reveals an average, which we know could change at some point.
Like you say move between streams, but if you play on the same equipment, my case FOBT, RNG, I do play in different streams but they are from the same source, program, which after time behaves in a regular way, note not pattern.
Take Jackpot247.com to date we’ve 111 pieces of data; take the 11th non-hit which for it to hit uses 27 due non-hit numbers, from the same stream. The info you have on this  particular non-hit as it’s from the same source, air ball, is it averages to hit within 1.35 spins and the max to date to come in is 4 spins.
So the max of 4 spins, how long before it max’s to 5? Well it maxed to 4 spins on the 18.2.16, so its 56 days at max 4 spins as of 14.4.16 would this info be any good when you’re suggesting jumping from 1 stream to another, I’d say no, you’d need to collect that type of game play to be able to quote specific details.
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Re: KTF's cousin named WTF (if everyone agrees)

April 15, 2016, 1:46 am
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Gabber

April 16, 2016, 2:19 am
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This is 24 numbers bet.

Procedure: Always bet against the two latest doublestreet hit with 4 doublestreets.

Progression +1/-1

First test was played with 25u bets (wingoal +2500u, stoploss -2500u)

Linkback: http://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16875.0
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Re: Past numbers have *NOTHING* to do with future events?

April 16, 2016, 2:23 am
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yes, i sure want to reply on this post. Has anyone changed categories all these years. And it was quite funny to read about the "Law of uneven distribution", son of GOD.
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Re: Gabber

April 16, 2016, 2:24 am
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Thats an amazing graph. I want to play race to 100 on this one.
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Re: The "let it run and watch a movie" method

April 16, 2016, 2:26 am
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Quote from: denzie on April 14, 2016, 09:51:31 AM
Write the numbers 0 to 36 on paper ( horizontal or vertical ). Now each time a number hits you put a mark next to it and you will see after 100/200 spins you will get one or more gaps.. flatbet those till in profit. 3 or 4 numbers! 
You sit down really and take 100 spins before playing. How many hours does that take.
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Re: Gabber

April 16, 2016, 2:47 am
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This surely sounds like healthy choice, I think.

Thanks Ig!
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